Fudge Forum

[grubman]

Hope this thread doesn't bother anyone here. I figured this would be an excellent place for the people who have volunteered to playtest to voice opinions and bounce ideas off of each other.

This thread may very well decide if the game gains any momentum...or withers away into the void.

The V0 playtest version just went out today (Thursday 3-30-06) so it may be a while before anyone has anything to say.
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[Capybara]

It looks good so far. Expect more commentary soon.
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[Daermon]

If it's not too late, I'd like to take a look at it.
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Johnnie

[grubman]

[mitchw]

Ok, I have started looking at it. Looks good so far. OK enough of the kissing up here come the nits..... in which I just throw out some random thoughts that occurred as I looked it over.

I like to do this after having done a 'quick' look because if the answers to any of these questions ARE in the text, they did not jump out at me and you might want to know that.
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-You seem to have a cross up between superhuman and supernormal. They seem be used to mean the same thing.

-Do you want to put the adjective after the attribute or before? (I guess that could be a poll question. [Strength Good (+1) or Good Strength (+1)]

-Have you considered shifting the range up from -3/+3 to 1/7. That moves the median from 0 up to 4 but gets rid of some of the negative numbers. It would require you to re-stat weapons and armor but less negative numbers works faster in my experience.

-In another game that you and I know there has been talk of combining Swimming, Throwing, and Climbing into Athletics. Did you consider that?

-For the morale test on extras that are lead by a star is a willpower/charisma roll really enough or should they have to use Intimidate and/or a new skill called Leadership(willpower)?

-Also in the morale test rules, what is a 'superior' level of willpower/charisma? Higher than the extras? Greater than 0?

-In basic Fudge with 6 stats you would get +3 bonus levels. Did you reduce this to +1 to keep the starting levels lower and leave plenty of room to grow?

-On page 14 under reward for every level you have this "Alternately the character can raise 1 Skill that is at Level Superb (+3) to Level Superb (+4)". Should Superb(+4) be Legendary(+4) or are you just going on up the ladder with Superb?

-Does Strength affect the Attack or Damage rolls or is it just factored into the weapon (min strength for weapon use).
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So, ya had enough??? Wait until I really get going.

Mitch

[ExaltedMouse]

I've just done a first reading... and I like it a lot.

The rules reminds me of that other game that you and me know, but in my humble opinion, FAST eliminates some of the problems that I have with that other game that I love.

A small thing... You thought about calling it Grudge, didn't you ? Because if not I cannot explain why you do call it Grudge in page 5

Another small nitpick, in page 7's sidebar when you speak of alternate dice, you say to find something square (2D) and it should be something cubic (3D)

That apart, and commenting on mitchw's comment I like negative numbers My IT-guy inner self adores the -3/+3 (or in general -X/+X) avec its nice median of 0.

I prefer adjetive after atribute, I find it a lot simple. When I play, I like to find quickly the ability, and my eyes and mind are trained to find it at left, not after the value. So I would like Strength Good (+1) and not Good Strength (+1)

Another vote for athletics, it seems faster, more furious and more fun... (ooops, wrong promotional speech )

More comments soon, after work

[Mysfyt]

is it still too late to join in on this? I am an ex-SW GM. I'm interested to see how you blend the customizability of Fudge and the quickness of SW. I would love to help with this project!

sent you a pm

Thnx

[grubman]

[grubman]

[mitchw]

[rstehwien]

[rstehwien]

[ravenx99]

[mitchw]

OK, here is my notes from my 2nd readthrough:

• TL makes me think of Tech Level not Target Level
• Page 7 – Wounds – Wound range from 7 – 12 should be 6 – 12 (9-3 = 6, 9+3=12)
• Page 9 – The "sample character Duncan’s Attributes" are incorrectly calculate and don’t match the sample character on page 11
• Page 21 – Educated gift – Should the 10 extra skill points be limited to Knowledge Skills? 10 general points seem like a lot. (base fudge 1 gift = 6 skill levels)
• Page 22 – Martial Arts – Should having Martial Arts negate the +2 bonus opponents get for attacking you when you are unarmed?
• Page 22 – Mighty Blow - +4 damage seems like a lot with no relation between how well the attack succeeds and how much damage is inflicted.
• Page 22 – Mounted Combat – Should the words “the character gains a +1 to hit and damage” be “the character gains the +1 advantageous position to hit (page 54) and a +1 to damage.” When I first read it I though this advantage combined with advantageous position to give a +2 to hit.
• Page 22 – Multiple Shot – Seems over powerful. Maybe if the -1 applies to both shots it would be more balanced.
• Page 23 – Steady Hands – It’s used for more than just hand work. How about just “Steady” or “Sure Footed”?
• Page 23 – Sweep – Another powerful attack. Should it suffer a -2 for really doing ‘multiple attacks’ even though you only roll once?
• Page 23 – Two Weapon Fighting – Most of the text from page 55 should be here for completeness.
• You don’t have a Guts type skill in the skill list. Would that just be a morale roll?
• Page 28 – 2nd paragraph – “poser” should be “power”.
• Spell categories being ‘gifts’ is going to keep magic a little limed. Is that what you intended?
• Page 30 – Example Two – The ‘major change’ modifier should be +3 not +4.
• In the weapon section some weapons do ‘stun only’. How is stun tracked differently than normal wounds?
• Should ‘missile weapons’ be ‘ranged weapons’? Most people don’t consider guns to be ‘missile’ weapons.
• Page 43 – second column, first paragraph – Great(+1) should be Good(+1) or Great (+2)
• Page 46 – Wounds - Wound range from 5 – 12 should be 6 – 12 (9-3 = 6, 9+3=12)
• I am unclear on how attack rolls and damage rolls are kept separate. With a separate damage roll will a dagger not do damage on any damage roll < 0? Maybe a couple of charts, one that shows a collected list of attack modifiers and one that shows a collected list of damage modifiers. Also to keep the terms unique I suggest Attack Modifiers vs. Defense Modifiers and Damage Modifiers vs. Resistance Modifiers.
• Page 51 – the 2nd bold paragraph begins “If a target is hit,” – I don’t know what this is trying to tell me.
• Page 52 – Initiative – What do we do about ties in initiative?
• Do we need a ‘prone’ modifier in the missile and melee phases?
• Page 54 – Unarmed Opponent – Should having ‘martial arts’ negate this bonus?

Mitch

[grubman]

OK...

It's official, I've dropped the negative numbers. I ran a little test and found that it totally solved the problem. The scale runs 1-7. I hope to have a revised edition ready by Sunday. It's no big deal really, Average is now 4, just add or subtract the original number and you have the new number.

The adjectives will remain. First, it links the game to Fudge, second It will be helpfull for new gamers and at cons and pick up games. I agree that the number is more important (which is why I include it every time as opposed to just the adjectives) but I want it to be particularily user friendly and I think it adds just a little flavor.

I've been going through fixing a few typos and bits. Most odd modifiers are being rounded up or down so most modifiers will be +/- 1,2,4. Easier to remember and make up on the fly.

I'll print up your notes Mitch and look at them all in turn.

To peoiple who are sending me their eMail adresses I'm not ignoring you, they just all came in awfull fast. I'll send out version 0.1 as soon as it's done to everyone (hopefully by Sunday).
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